Nada Gordon posted a
rebuttal to my comments about flarf here yesterday. I thought it would be useful to respond point by point. Have I engaged in a "prolonged investigation" of flarf? If I thought that flarf merited a prolonged investigation, I would give it one. I have not. No excuses. Nada says that flarf, for her, is "about kicks." Then why bother to spend 1000 words defending it? Why get defensive at the slightest insinuation that flarf is aesthetically insubstantial? As I told Nada in Brooklyn, the whole "I do it for kicks" stance feels like a cop-out to me, so that larger issues can be comfortably avoided. Not that we all need to be so self-serious that we pant and heave over every word, but that wanting to have it both ways (it is serious/ it is a joke) and choosing whichever response happens to be contextually convenient is very slight of hand and the art-equivalent of a card trick. Nada also likes to pat herself on the back for her points that are "even more cogent" than mine; it is wiser to let your readers decide that unless (as seems to be the case) you are merely preaching to the converted. What takes more guts: to be a lone voice speaking against a group or to be in a group whacking each other off, as seems to be the case with these flarf folks? Where the debates about canonicity are concerned, obviously I know that the idea of a central, patriarchal, homogenous canon are considered
passe. It is nevertheless my hunch that, even if in fifty years there are a plethora of "mini-canons" (because whether we like it or not, the
processes of canon-formation will continue, whenever something poetic is preserved), pride of place will still go to poems and poets that people find
memorable. This is obvious stuff, but immersion in theory and ego can make poets
dense. Again, Nada includes a condescending gesture in the direction of one
William Snodgrass, hinting that his inferiority is manifest and the preservation of his name is a testament to the arbitrary nature of canon formation. But, like it or not, canon formation is
not arbitrary, and if there were not a significant number of people who admire Snodgrass, his name would not be preserved. Besides, as I said to Nada in Brooklyn, what would Snodgrass think of
you?
Nada makes a useless distinction, I think when she accuses me of naivete for my use of the word "generations." Canons form, she says, betweem two poles: groups who make canons, and individuals who ferret out what has been lost. This happens, specifically, on a
generational level. Different generations have different reasons for embracing different poets and different types of poetry. Whether it is a function of groups or individuals,
someone is going to decide the fate of our work,
and it is not us. That is all I meant to say. And it could take me ten entries to answer what I feel is the most glaring error in Nada's post: "which of the high modernist poems are terribly memorable, beyond the first line or so?" As much as it is a temptation to reel off a list of poems, all I will say is that I would feel hard-pressed to find more memorable poems than early
Eliot, especially. It is like criticizing Romantic poetry for not being imaginative enough, or Beat poetry for being too tame. I do not think that it is the GESTURES of these texts that we remember; it is the texts themselves, the way they made sense of a new century, its ruptures, fissures, and discontinuities. GESTURE has to do with CONCEPT, and CONCEPT has been dominating visual arts for far longer than flarf has been around, so that art critics lament how BORING much conceptual work is, and I agree with them. But poetry usually brings up the rear, where the arts are concerned, and so here we are reacting to something old like it is new (while other artists, if they notice us at all, laugh at us). It is also odd that Nada says that she remembers Language texts because she reads them over and over again, not because they are memorable. Why would anyone read something that has no taste, distinctiveness, or personality over and over again at all? I refuse to entertain the notion that good art does not need to be memorable. Period.
I do, in fact, think that poetry has and will continue to develop a "real history." Nada makes the mistake of thinking that by "real" I mean "unitary," and I do not. As with canons and canonicity, authenticity does not negate diversity. There are many histories being written as we speak, including this one. It is simply my feeling that the most durable forms of poetry history will be written around memorable poems that have continued and continuing human interest. It is hard not to make the same art-moves, because forms change, but content does not change that much. Should
Keats not have written his Odes because
Horace had already written Odes? This is art: inevitably, it will come down to people's opinions.
Nick Piombino thinks that I am jealous. I am not. All this came about simply because I read with
Nada Gordon and she sat down next to me and we had a conversation. It happens to be my opinion that flarf is flaky. Nada says she is doing it because she likes doing it. Yet she also goes to great lengths to defend it. I stand by my original formulation: it is not for either of us decide what matters and what does not matter. Nada wants to have it both ways: for flarf to matter and not matter at the same time. Whether we like it or not, we are both writing
for ourselves and strangers: the strangers decide who is worthy. If Nada could not care less about enduring impact, that is her business. She can be as obsolescent as she wants, and get her kicks. But I would not be surprised if secretly she cares just as much as I do whether her work will last, and her whole stance is a pose. Are the flarf people
poseurs? I think you could make a valid argument that they are.
We really do not care what we are doing, it is just for fun. In the end, it does not concern me much. I have my own work to do. But it is worth clarifying in public something that I started, so that my position is clear.