Thursday, July 02, 2009

"art to die for"


It is always interesting to me to see what forms and manners of art inspire different levels of devotion. This also applies to individual artists. In visual art, it would seem that Picasso and Rothko inspire more intense devotion than Warhol and Koons; they were, one could say, working from a deeper place, and the affect they put into their art is reflected back by the response of their audience. Where poetry is concerned, no one inspires more devotion than Charles Bukowski, and the fact that many experimental poets do not take him seriously does not particularly matter. Bukowski, for better or for worse, was able to create a real-world mystique around himself, a textual role in which he always got to be the tough guy, the hard man, the hero. People love it, because it makes them feel like they, too, can be heroes. It makes me wonder what kind of effect post-avant art is going to have on people, what level of devotion it will inspire. If I could choose, I would opt to have post-avant inspire extreme devotion, the way that the aforementioned artists have. It would be nice to create a kind of mass hypnosis, an Artaudian spectacle that would inspire an audience to cleave tightly to the artists who have created it. It is something Lou Reed used to talk a lot about, early in his career- that he wanted his music to be so beautiful that people would be willing to die for it. Taken literally, this is the essence of adolescent-level art-appreciation- the melodrama, self-dramatization, exaggerated pathos/bathos. However, I do not see anything wrong with inspiring extreme devotion. The best case scenario seems to be this- that post-avant art is creepy, not only in its content, but in the effect it has on people. It should be as hypnotic as art can be, and affective enough to make the hypnosis stick. Talking about this makes me remember one specific experience I have had, with a friend who was more devoted to a single artist than anyone I have ever seen. The artist was Morrissey, the British singer-songwriter who fronted The Smiths in the 1980s. For the purposes of the post, I will call the friend "Jonathan."

It was not just that Jonathan was a fan of Morrissey; for Jonathan, Morrissey was more or less literally Jesus Christ. Every waking moment of every waking day, every new experience related back to Moz on some level. There was an insane degree of internalization that went on in Jonathan; yet, on some level, Moz was ineffable to him. Jonathan would willingly talk about Moz, at length, but about the deeper reasons for his fixation he was silent. It was interesting to watch because, though I have admired many artists in many different disciplines, I have never been this single-minded about an individual artist. In a way, I was jealous of Jonathan; I wished there were a single artist that spoke so completely for me that I did not need anyone else. Many people, of course, feel this way about Dylan, too. In Byron's day, it applied to him as well and, on a slightly more prudish level, to Wordsworth. Certain classes of Americans even feel this way about Elvis. In any case, Jonathan had a lot of glamor in my eyes for his ability to completely identify with Morrissey. It needs to be said that Morrissey (Moz) is not particularly post-avant, but he illustrates a point I am getting to. This parable illustrates the magnetism that certain artists and kinds of art have. Much of it comes from creating a certain kind of persona, and having the talent and flair to see it through. I think that post-avant has the potential to create art (and a plethora of personas) that has this magnetism, and that will inspire this depth of devotion. Artists must be willing to self-disclose, with style, imagination, and edge, and create personas for themselves that have the texture and compelling grain of reality.

This is the tremendous advantage of affect- if you write with great feeling, and you do so without being smarmy, you will engender an affective response right back. It would be absurd at this point to start talking about a post-avant mystique, but it is a real possibility. Post-avant should go where most people are frightened to go; for my money, poets like Brooklyn and Todd already have. I have already been surprised (and pleased) by the intensity of many of the responses I have received on this blog in the last few weeks. If this discourse is possessing people, then I am doing my job. This is the necessary swing of experimental poetry away from the distancing-methods of Lang-Po, towards encouraging a state, for the audience, of total absorption. It also, willy-nilly, draws poetry closer to rock and roll, much in the manner that the Beats did. The difference is that the post-avant vibe is much more noir, much more engaged with imagination, much more intent upon edge. I do not want to limit post-avant unduly, but I think this discourse is spinning a web that can later be honed, refined into top working shape. Whether or not post-avant produces art to die for, that it should inspire extreme devotion is something I will stand behind. It does not have to fall into the traps of Romanticism to do it, either. Going deep with affect, being real with edge is (I would say) enough.

15 comments:

Ross Brighton said...

2 short things: Bukowski as hero? I thought the whole thing was about self abasement myself.
And I would say that Morrisey is post-avant, especially if that is defined as "anything with an edge".

P.F.S. Post said...

Ross,

Buk: more self-glorification than otherwise.

Moz: too benign, not enough dark edges, though there are some.

Adam

Ross Brighton said...

Moz: realy? Suedehead, Every day is like sunday, the father who must be killed, life is a pigsty; or from the smiths I know it's over, girlfriend in a coma, bigmouth strikes again, the queen is dead, how soon is now...
as a fan i could go on.
And since when did edges have to be dark?

Ross Brighton said...

adenda:
obviously there is a large amount of irony involved, but it is anything but benign. The up-playing of angst serves to (unsuccessfully) mask the seething underbelly, and the performative element, especially with regard to sexuality, is very akin to the showmanship of post-avantism such as the qurlesque.

P.F.S. Post said...

Ross,

Right, but you notice its never Moz himself who is being creepy.

It is always a situation around him.

Post-avant tends to refer to darker edges.

Ross Brighton said...

It's never the poet who is being creepy - it's the poem. or the song.

And "sweetness, I was only joking when I said I'd like to smash every tooth in your head" is pretty creepy.

P.F.S. Post said...

I disagree. I mean the protagonist and/or narrator. Usually.

And you can't get much more arch (and less creepy) than "Bigmouth Strikes Again."

Ross Brighton said...

Does this mean that Flarf and conceptual writing, or anything with a language-influence exploded/non-concrete speaker or sense of subjectivity doesn't fall under the rubric of the post-avant, as you describe it?

P.F.S. Post said...

Not necessarily.

It's case dependent.

Ross Brighton said...

Dependant on what? "edge"? because if so, as has been seen before, it gets so subjective as to be essentially meaningless (what's post avant for you may not be for me, et cetera)

P.F.S. Post said...

Ross,

If the whole discourse were about "edge," it would not have lasted this long.

If you are looking for a lot of objectivity in art, you are going to be disappointed. Even by the Objectivists.

I would have to have a flarf or conceptual piece in front of me to answer your question adequately.

Adam

Ross Brighton said...

It seems to keep coming back to edge, if you look back at previous posts. And I'm not sure where creepiness came in as a necessary trait - and if you look back at the Belz poem you discuss in the creepiness post, there's no protagonist inserting themselves, or "being creepy" so to speak - i'd say it's quite similar to the suburban brooding of much of Moz's work.
Re: Flarf etc:

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetrymagazine/index.html

Ry said...

bukowski to me, and i'm sure a large many others, is more anti-hero than hero-- i would say that in america especially, our hero-worship could be "anti-hero worship" in a lot of instances.

i'll have to look deeper into this idea of "edge." but i have to be honest, with all due respect, it evokes a saying of "oooh that is sooo edgy..." -isn't that a bit tired? is it obfuscatory rather than critical?

personally, i come from a scene of atrists who went to art school and thought the whole "edginess" thing was a ply. one of my good friend in fact was more concerned with the edge as most of his paintings were a "spilling over" or a taffy-like twisting of the canvas itelf. the whole shock-rock-like "edginess" isn't new or effective so much as affective.
beethoven was thought, literally, as an angel.. paganini as satan, or as traded his soul for virtuosity... also, i would say the beats were easily aligned with jazz rather than rock.

i have to agree with ross in that "edge" and "creepiness" are perhaps too ambiguous. it is like you are trying to escape theory-death by positing a half-theory or, forgive me, hazy theory. now don't get me wrong, i'm with you on this idea, but i feel like i had a clearer idea of of "post-avant" after reading some art-criticism and silliman's generalities surrounding it. it wasn't until i started reading your discussions of it that "post-avant" has only gotten more vague and murky... almost to irrelevance. i apologize but i can't put it any other way.

yet for me, this understanding of "post-avant" is made clearer by the ideas in art criticism that have literary analogs (i have yet to discern a musical analog but certainly it will be easier found in rock rather than classical or jazz). the progression i see such as the historical avant of duchamp etc. and the neo-avant and post-avant (post-war) rauschenberg etc....

Ross Brighton said...

IO have to agree with Ry, "i'll have to look deeper into this idea of "edge." but i have to be honest, with all due respect, it evokes a saying of "oooh that is sooo edgy..." -isn't that a bit tired? is it obfuscatory rather than critical?".
And "spilling over" is good - Deleuze and Guattari on wast and expenditure - this seems to be a good framework, and can cover everything from the Gurlesque to Flarf etc.

And Silliman seems to use the term to cover everything postwar that draws on earlier avant-garde materials, so this conversation is a bit confusing (like everyone having different ideas about what "postmodernism" is/was)

Art/lit analogs is good; and for music i suggest reading k-punk's blog - pasts like the one one the Fall's pulp modernism.

Ross Brighton said...

this is good, if you haven't read it already:
http://asifyourlife.blogspot.com/2009/06/post-avant-garde-umm-what-is-this.html

 

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